This can cause damage and over time, cause the firing pin to break. Feeds the Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P’s I carry without a hiccup. Inexpensive and Light but that’s where the goodness ends. Perhaps, after all, that optics mount is the single largest difference between the two. Now, if I had to choose between the Hellcat and my G2, I go with the G2 because the Hellcat cost too much and offers nothing I do not already have in the G2. If the extra round doesn’t tip you to the Springfield side and you have no plans to run an optic, it’s such a tossup between the Hellcat and the SIG that for many buyers it’ll probably come down to brand loyalty or opinion, place of manufacture (the P365 is made in New Hampshire, the Hellcat in Croatia), and perhaps aesthetics. Yes, yes, what’s one measly round? Remington V3 TAC-13 Review : Worth it? I have been carrying the 365 since almost 18 months too, and I love it. I can shoot this little gun MORE accurately than my full-size guns. (Shout-out to Springfield Armory!). Seen above is the P365 in front of the Hellcat. The Hellcat has 11+1 capacity with flush fit vs 10+1 with the p365, the magazines are cheap (18-25 bucks for the 11 and 13 round mags). We tried cutting it apart on a Industrial band saw, wore down the blade. By that statement, you can tell I love a 1911, either in 45 acp or 9 mm, one is even a .22 LR. Choose the best weapons, improve their shooting and increase their knowledge on their rights. Everytime that it happens, I notice my thumb is right under, or on the slide lock. Springfield for their deceit in selling out Illinois gun dealers and Sig for their rush to put the product out and have so many malfunctions early on. My oldest is a vintage Colt 1911 customized for serious competition. Springfield Hellcat vs. Sig P365 - from a GIRL'S point of view Quote "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. By that statement, you can tell I love a 1911, either in 45 acp or 9 mm, one is even a .22 LR. Let’s begin with pistol lights, and or lasers. “Micro-compact” pistols like the Sig Sauer P365 SAS and Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP are setting the stage for a new era in concealed-carry handguns. Step on Springfield ok! The Hellcat is also available in the OSP model, whereas the p365 requires getting the p365 XL slide. Aside from that, the gun is extremely accurate and we had no reliability issues when firing. The SIG P365 is just a hair lighter at 17.8 ounces when compared to Springfield’s 17.9 with t… Well, it’s a 10 percent bump in capacity, that’s what. Oh… …and I’ve seen Glocks fail. Price is secondary, but in my case low price (my Taurus was $239) was attractive, and if the pistol hadn’t been reliable, I wouldn’t have been out much money. That being said, I won’t ever bash Taurus people, or even Hi-Point people, because I used to be poor, so I know what it’s like. To update Springfield sent me a replacement handgun and let me pick a different Model as I did not want another Hellcat. Had both and sold the little one. It’s better than many other guns, but not as nice as others. Why? Your email address will not be published. The sig is the better gun and a better package. Below you’ll find some of our defining features, pros/cons, and what we did and didn’t like about each gun. As far as Micro Compacts go, I only ever carry them in summer otherwise I’m carrying the XDM Compact .40 with the 16 round extended mag. The simple fact is, though, that not everybody loves the Sig. All I can say is it doesn’t take much to understand that machining of a firearm is part of the process figured into the cost of said gun.. I’d rather give it to St. Jude’s or the Salvation Army. Read our post comparing the Hellcat and the P365 here. The SIG P320 has not in any of its caliber change configurations ever had a malfunction of any kind nor has it ever fallen down and shot me. Nothing wrong with not being poor. Plus, we’ve thrown in a bunch of sweet comparison pictures between the two, so you can really see what we mean. Springfield bad. Same with the BMW and Ferrari drivers – what “handling” are they talking about? Bill Ruger is long dead. 365XL. Out of 5 SPRINGFIELD’s with thousands of rounds never had a single failure. I rented both a P365 and a Springfield hellcat and shot them side by side today at my local indoor gun range. The p365 is about the same size as a g43. The duck on the back of the Sig is much more realistic. Jeremy S. for TTAG. Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine) The first round that comes out of the gun, is always far to the left I mean off the target far to the left, even adjusting I can pull it in but it is normally low and to the left, nice grouping and all but still, that first round is just off into oblivion (I’ve had others fire this weapon and responded, where the heck did that first round go?). Get yourself a Glock and a smartphone. I personally rely on gross motor skills, but dont have snag issues. And yes, I bought both. Tried the Hellcat for the first time yesterday. I know which brand more experienced shooters are going to choose the majority of the time (365’s initial release growing pains aside). While I realize that, in the photo above, the P365’s serrations don’t look like anything special, they are sufficiently deep with sufficiently square edges that they’re completely and confidently functional. I went with the 365XL and carry the 15 round mag for my backup, same magazine with the alternate floor plate that ships with it. We also feel that the trigger could have been much better. Yup. That said, the p365 has largely fixed all the major issues that plagued the first year of its existence. Felt great in my hand. For now, the simple fact remains that the Hellcat is the smallest production pistol with the largest magazine capacity on the market today, and that alone is noteworthy. Ridiculously accurate. There are many options in the CCW class but how do you pick the right one?. Required fields are marked *. However, it can adjust and will take into consideration the user’s body type, tactics and personal preferences for where you desire to carry it . Hellcat doesn't allow hand to get quite as high up on the pistol, so it has slightly more snap- this is an observation by a large majority of reviewers and commenters With no mag, and with flush fit mag, the p365 offers a bit more.. The P365 is a great fit for me and it checks all the boxes; 10+1 9mm, fits in pocket, great sights, reliable as all get out, outstanding trigger, and no thumb safety for me. Fortunately for us, recent introductions to the market have set new benchmarks in the capacity-versus-size game. I have close to 2,000 rounds through my P365 without one single hiccup, and Dan put his almost 700 through the Hellcat in the course of its review, including mixed hollow points and other stuff, and then I piled on a couple hundred more with four different brands and types of ammo. Most of the time, you’ll prefer a full-sized version of a firearm over its smaller counterpart. The Hellcat arrived on the scene too late for me as an option. (It was a very good competition though) Not much to say here except if you have not gotten one yet, it is probably time to invest. I already have a 43 for EDC but the Sig is “roundier” and doesnt take all the fiddling to make the trigger better (I have Talo night sights). Weird backstrap transition issues aside, I have been carrying the 15-round job as my backup magazine and, on the range, it shoots just fine. Going from 7+1 to 12+1 with an increase from .380 to 9mm was a bonus too, especially as the P365 is rated for +P ammo. Your life depends on it. In the hand the Hellcat has squarer edges whereas the P365 is rounder. The SA one looks like a 1980s video game duck, so no thanks. But, I already have them, and the Meprolight just isn't for me. I just today handled a Hellcat with shield dot at my LGS. This may be one of the most accurate shooting pistols we’ve gotten our hands on. For those of you who don’t know, the Sig P365 actually dethroned Ryan’s original CCW standy, the Glock 43. The biggest difference is likely the angle of the magazine baseplate, with the SIG’s canted toe down. No offense, lol. But was it good enough to dethrone the king? Weight: 17.8 ounces Will it be the Sig P365 — our own Ryan Cleckner’s personal CCW — or the challenger, the Springfield Hellcat? Must be a total fanboy right? Aging eyes. Gun people have long memories, and Taurus has a VERY poor reputation when it comes to quality/reliability. But how do they compare to the Dodge Hellcat? The DAO trigger is crappy enough even if you didn’t have a pinky dangling and I use an oiled Q-tip on the feed ramp every 50rnds or so, or even 115gr fmjs will fail to feed. As FYI I am having issues with my Hellcat ftf on Sig V Crown both 115 and 124 grain HP and also Black Hills.Already returned once to Springfield and still having same issue. Not really knowing what to expect, we found this gun is full of awesome surprises. And against the reigning CCW champion at that. I like the Sccy as well but I have friends that have issues with theirs as well. It looks pretty good as a low cost night sight option(I’m spending all my $ on AR15 stuff!). Slightly smaller than a Glock 48 and slightly larger than a P365…….??????? IMO still Very close. aesthetically the 365 is more pleasing. Barrel Length: 3″ Yelp .. right there with you on this one .. probably hit the range that’s my therapy!. Sig employees gave to both parties but more to Republicans – so what? Seriously. Features Worth Noting. We all know red dot is the way of the future on pistols. However, we did notice though a few drawbacks compared to the P365 and, if your like me, it will interest you to know… READ MORE, If you own a gun, you’re going to want to take care of it. But it’s priced the exact same as the Sig which has a much higher quality feel to it. However, it should be noted the flush-fitting magazine for the Hellcat is 11 rounds, and The Hellcat is slimmer by a mere .06 inches, but it bears mentioning. Therefore, check out my recommendations for each type below. Additionally it has a 3.1-inch barrel, front & rear cocking serrations, a Nitron finish, ... Springfield Armory Hellcat: VS. Springfield Armory The one extra round (11/13 vs 10/12) for the Hellcat When firing the gun, the trigger is nice and crisp with a very nice reset. If you’d like to get started cleaning your gun, here is the recommended cleaning kit for the p365: When Sig Sauer came out with their first ever subcompact pistol, the initial run had problems. And that’s very important. So I have no problems with gun snobs criticizing my Taurus – I know what I’ve got. NEVER I TELL YA!!! Concealing a gun can be a hassle, but it doesn’t have to be. My brand new Sig P365 would fail to go into battery, maybe every other magazine, the bullet jamming at the bottom right of the feed ramp. 1/2 inch taller and 1/2 inch longer. The only problem so far with the P365 is the 12rd mag is a P250 mag with a loose adapter spacer. The Hellcat was released. After shooting both the 365 and the 365XL, I bought the XL. The SIG P365 is also a shorter, more efficient handgun. Holding 11+1 rounds in its micro-compact magazine, it’s no mystery that the Springfield Armory Hellcat, reviewed by Dan here, has its sights set squarely on the famously standard-setting 10+1-round SIG Sauer P365 (reviewed by John Boch here and followed up by me here). Not to mention restrike capability and can also fire without a mag inserted. In our experience, and those of shooters we know, we’ve had flawless reliability. Then came along the Springfield Armory Hellcat delivering 11-round capacity in a flush magazine. I don’t think I’m gonna consider getting one of the new ones (unless it’s a gift). We took both to a shooting range to see for ourselves. He even made a break up video for just that occasion. We took it to the range and tried to get it NOT to work. The positive aspects of a skinnier frame are obvious for a concealed carry gun, but there are some positives to that ever-so-slightly wider frame, too. Ruger for Bill Ruger’s insistence that 10 round magazines should be the limit for civilians? by Ryan Cleckner Feb 17, 2020 3 comments 4.6 (11). It’s a micro 9mm pistol with a monstrous carrying capacity. Weight wise the guns are identical when you use the Hellcat’s 11 round magazine. Yes, but we’re talking about pistols here not paperweights. I was sold. If the choice would have been between the Hellcat and the P365 or XL, I probably would have bought one of those. Gee, Steve. Width: 1″ Nice. The Viridian Laser has a minimal design and is easy to keep concealed as long as you have the proper holster. Any other 1″ thin, 10+ capacity, carry pieces in the works by any other manufacturers? Great review, thanks for doing it, actually, made me think about just buying some upgrades for my Glock 26 like night sights and a new osp ready slide for less money with better egos and higher overall capacity. The Baldr laser is near-invisible in daylight compared to my Viridian R5. Technically the company is claiming that the Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm is the result of years of development and parts of that are probably true. I’ve owned many 9mm: Springfield (XD Mod2, XDS Mod2), Glock (G19, G43), HK (P30SK, VP9), Walther (PPQ, PPS M2), and Sig (P320C, P320SC, P938, P229, P226, P365). Compare the dimensions and specs of Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact and FN 503 We'll send you an email when new handguns are added. Don’t let anyone put you down for the Taurus mfg.. So, this was honestly one of the best comparisons we’ve had the chance to do at Gun University. That’s awesome. There are likely others I am not aware of or have forgotten about…. Especially between two guns that are, up until this point and for all practical purposes, almost identical. The P11 still holds the title for being the FIRST, SMALLEST, and HIGHEST CAPACITY micro 9mm on the market, and it does all this at less than HALF the price of the P365 & the Hellcat ! Their argument is that it is increased opportunity to affect sight alignment. If we could buy directly from HS, I might pick one up. I shot a magazine through my SIG, then a mag through the Springfield. Heck I’m still pissed at Smith for the Clinton deal. About 700 rnds through with no malfunctions. pull. Hmm, I have a 9mm Taurus PT111 G2 – about the same size and features, very reliable, and 12+1 capacity. I wonder why? I have also love my Taurus guns. Check Price. Springfield Armory Hellcat vs Sig Sauer Now the Sig P365 is almost perfect, it has to be said, so it’s going to be a tall order to be quantifiably better in any one area. So I’m going into this as an obvious fan of the P365 and, to be completely candid, with some personal umbrage toward Springfield Armory. Sig Sauer P365 vs Springfield Hellcat 0. Not a bad gun, don’t care about the extra round, don’t care about the red dot and I found that the Springfield had more recoil. Springfield Hellcat vs P365 The Sig Sauer P365 made headlines for many reasons, one which was being able to handle 10 rounds in a flush magazine. But there’s no denying the fact that the Sig Sauer P365 Nitron changed the game and Springfield Armory had to respond. I own a Keltec P11 and I would not depend on it in a fight. Never seen a high end 1911 malfunction either (cuz of course you get what you pay for). SEE PRICE, Here is your standard pocket holster. I don’t get the trigger issue with some folks. Springfield Hellcat vs Sig P365 Since both companies are now making micro double-stacks, a number of people wonder which between the Sig P365 vs Springfield Hellcat is … No Springfield for me ever…I’m OK with my lowly Taurus 709 for now. Check Amazon Price, A sturdy IWB tuckable holster which allows for great concealment. The real world is waiting. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-cz-p-10-s. Posted on the wrong part of this thread; apologies. My local gun store has finally acquired a Hellcat to rent after weeks on backorder. Decisions, decisions…..first world problems. They’ve been working hard to rectify this the past few years, but they still have a long ways to go before they successfully overcome the stigma they rightfully earned. I shoot tens of thousands of rounds every year and do not discriminate regarding which pistol I take out any particular day. I guess it up to the individual on which trigger feels better. What We Like About the Sig Sauer P365: The first thing that stood out to us about the P365 is just how natural the gun feels in your hand. An excellent gun at that. Yep, don’t jam and don’t rust. This laser can also be seen for a full mile in darkness and is perfectly visible at 25 yards in bright daylight. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000056704&cycle=2014. No earth-shattering revelations here. IMHO the 17 and 26 are obsolete and the 43/44 aren’t as good as the sigs. But, I already have them, and the Meprolight just isn't for me. The Sig Sauer P365. My daily carry is the 365. You can carry a Glock 19 IWB as easily as a 26. Tags: hellcat, P365, Sig Sauer, springfield armory In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves reviews the new Springfield Hellcat and compares it to the SIG P365. But you may be sure it was only after running hundreds of rounds through it to test it for reliability and accuracy (just as I would have done with any gun intended for carry). We’re all so impressed that you “used to be poor” but now you are rich. I’ll keep my SIG, because I love the gun on itself, love the brand, love the 15 rounds mag (not cheap unfortunately) and love the fact that it’s made in the USA. That’s easier to say than do. Not helping matters is the fact that the Hellcat has a stiffer recoil spring. Good work SIG, as I would probably buy the P365 package today. Thumbs up to Springfield. For all the people that want to go ahead and criticize the lower cost weapon go ahead. Roastinhell. If you don’t have a cleaning kit, we like the below from Gloryfire because it allows you to clean both handguns, rifles, etc. Being that it is our editors choice, we liked the fact that it doesn’t take up a lot of room without any cramping of the fingers or loss of space around the knuckles. And it has been doing that since the first PT111 (its previous version). As far as I’m concerned, I think that Springfield needs to produce a 10 round magazine for those of us that travel from state to state. But I DO like the tac-light, that thing is like daylight! As a SIG fan the choice is easy, but both pistol do look good, Your email address will not be published. I am just still sour toward Springfield regarding their politics, I think the name Hellcat sounds juvenile for a pistol, I dislike the made in Croatia thing, and I don’t dig the sights on them. A P365 replaced my CC weapon of nearly 25 years (a Walther PPK/S .380) in February of this year. I heard there was somebody trying to give the Shield treatment to the Shield (heh) but I’m not sure how much they can actually do. The Hellcat is also slightly shorter in height than the SIG. Rauner in his bid for reelection. My wife has the Taurus PT111 G2. If a malfunction occurs and the magazine need to be stripped from the frame; it will be easier on the P365. Pity Ruger never tried to replicate it. Aftermarket triggers, customized grip-modules, and lights/lasers are available. Sig has since resolved the dilemma with its subsequent releases. My wife has a p365 with the thumb safety, which I like, and has never malfunctioned; it’s an excellent firearm. I typically go through 500-1000 rounds each outing. Wow not much love for SA any more. I bought a P11 back around 2000 and the thing malfunctioned constantly. The Hellcat packs a front night sight, a high contrast rear sight, an optics ready option, an aggressive grip texture, and front and rear slide Shoots really well. The Glock 43X is a hybrid (so they say)! Springfield Hellcat vs Sig P365: Concealment Here is where both guns will be used 99% of the time. 0. Great partial articles, lot of pics. You are getting ten rounds at a minimum in a gun that looks like it should hold six. No regrets! Hellcat bottom, P365 top (Jeremy S. for TTAG). It’s 5.8 inches long with a 3.1-inch barrel. Maybe they are as good as the P365, and maybe they are not!? Smith has a different owner now. Comparing all these Tubberware pistols seems like comparing apples to apples. Choose carefully, use wisely. Of course it costs less because this was put into the manufacturing cost. Basically, he reported that after the Gen 2, there have been minimal issues with the striker and trigger return springs and thus the Gen 2 fixed all problems. Anyone can through rocks. Not to mention no mag disconnect on the G2C…. We still needed to put it to the test. Which one is better? The P365 feels softer because of it’s obviously lower bore axis. I sent it back to them. The P365 does have both 12 and 15 round magazines. With the optic mounted I tend to just karate chop the darn thing, so no concerns there. Dan and I both agreed that the P365 shoots slightly softer than the Hellcat. Those might be one of the major factors (along with that trigger pull) for the remarkable accuracy we get from this gun. When you get the itch, you should check it out! Another thing that’s really unique about the Hellcat is that it comes with a full sized accessory rail. https://www No votes so far! I have two Glocks and never have problems with them either. It does seem thay I might be putting my Shield and Glock 26 up for sale. And BTW I consider all of those firearms and manufacturers that I listed above as “reliable” and would trust my life to all of them. Also the 365 can be had with a decently sized manual safety if that’s your thing. Oh, if you don’t get through more than a few boxes of ammo every range outing you may not notice. The P365 is slightly lighter at 17.8 ounces compared to Springfield’s 18.3 ounces. It functions flawlessly now. The Sig P365 is in a class of its own, and thousands of others agree. A solid choice if you desire a laser. In my view the Spectrum, which replaced the TCP, is not nearly as good as the TCP. I’d probably still carry the LCP 2 most often though because it’s so easy and comfortable to carry and I’ve gotten fairly good at shooting it. G&A seems to have an opinion, where USC didnt. " Also, trigger dingus. I love to shoot it as much as my new Glock 43. Did all of that and new magazines too, still would not work. But we’re talking really small differences here and any advantage could easily be reversed in a different location at a different angle. I received a holster from CrossBreed Holsters that I started using right away, and spent many hours at the range with the Hellcat to put it through some paces. Be the first to rate this post. I shot a better group than I typically do with a full-sized pistol. I have a Tavor and Glock and I shoot them well. And colt made a financial decision. The recoil on the hellcat is snappier, which makes me have self-inflicted premature slide lock malfunctions. 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